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IDProjectCategoryView StatusLast Update
17893Bug reportsQuestion themepublic2022-03-31 12:00
Reporterifrass Assigned To 
PrioritynoneSeverityminor 
Status acknowledgedResolutionopen 
Product Version5.2.x 
Summary17893: Gender question should propose more than 2 gender
Description

Gender questions are criticized today because some people want to have the possibily to select more than two answer (Female or Male)

For example there is a european Academic standard to store Gender in LDAP
(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwinlImjrYH2AhVQxYUKHelhAPEQFnoECA8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.refeds.org%2Fdownload%2Fattachments%2F44957731%2FSCHAC%252B1.5.0.pdf%3Fversion%3D3%26modificationDate%3D1429202342624%26api%3Dv2&usg=AOvVaw0G-hZIFC0X_HH1X3lj7KQ_)
There is LDAP attribut "schacGender" which store
0 Not known
1 Male
2 Female
9 Not specified

Another example in French High school and university standard in LDAP ask to store :
(https://services.renater.fr/documentation/supann/supann2021/recommandations/attributs/supannoidcgenre)
female
Male
Other

Maybe it woulf be interessting to hva something like that :
Female/Male/Other or Female/Male/Not specified

Steps To Reproduce

Steps to reproduce

Add a question in a survey
Mask questions
Select Gender

Expected result

It could be something like that :
Female/Male/Other or Female/Male/Not specified

(Write here what happened instead)
Female/Male

TagsNo tags attached.
Bug heat26
Complete LimeSurvey version number (& build)5.2.14+220214
I will donate to the project if issue is resolvedNo
BrowserFirefox
Database type & versionMariaDB 10.3.31
Server OS (if known)Debian 10.11
Webserver software & version (if known)Apache 2.4.38
PHP Version7.3.31

Users monitoring this issue

Aiophe, DenisChenu, galads

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jelo

jelo

2022-02-15 13:47

partner   ~68301

The gender question-type should be removed. It's not needed. You can create it in 2 minutes from a single choice question or a multiple-choice (I'm sure someone will propose a feature request for selecting more than one item too).
Convert gender-questions to single choice question type when importing in LS5.

ollehar

ollehar

2022-02-15 16:10

administrator   ~68304

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

Yes, might be the less political alternative, to remove it.

DenisChenu

DenisChenu

2022-02-15 16:23

developer   ~68305

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

M Male
F Female
O Not specified or other

3 options

Renater is not a political company ;) , i don't know refeds.

ifrass

ifrass

2022-02-15 16:29

reporter   ~68306

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

I think it would be better to keep the question by adding "Not specified or other".

For me it does'nt matter, but we already have some remarks about that...
Of course I work in a social school (IFRASS / Toulouse)

If we remove the question, maybe it will have somme references problems in our database when we already use it ... I use it in every Survey ...

ollehar

ollehar

2022-02-15 16:31

administrator   ~68307

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

What about adding a couple of question themes to LimeStore with custom gender question types?

ifrass

ifrass

2022-02-15 16:37

reporter   ~68308

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

Is it not easier just to adjust the question ?

DenisChenu

DenisChenu

2022-02-15 16:41

developer   ~68309

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

What about adding a couple of question themes to LimeStore with custom gender question types?

Cuurently QuestionTheme didn't allow update whole question data.

It's only a visual update of public question during survey.

Here : you need to add different choice for statistics and export, and surely some other place.

I'm really happy to have it in QuestionTheme, but need update on QuestionTheme system (else is like create single choice manualy).

ollehar

ollehar

2022-02-15 16:42

administrator   ~68310

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

Is it not easier just to adjust the question ?

Uh, that depends on how many conflicting opinions we have. Right now we only know your opinion.

jelo

jelo

2022-02-15 17:03

partner   ~68311

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

Once you add the third option, you will get feedback to remove it or add more options.
When importing an old survey, you would need to stick to the old female/male till you get the confirmation by the survey designer.
To handle non-binary gender identities there is no longer one question type to fit all. You need to adapt to the audience. You don't know today, what will happen in the next years in each country. So save yourself a lot of work in the future ;-)

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jelo

jelo

2022-02-15 17:10

partner   ~68312

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

Food for thought
https://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/july-august-2019/how-to-do-better-with-gender-on-surveys

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DenisChenu

DenisChenu

2022-02-15 17:42

developer   ~68313

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

@jelo : it's the exact reason why follow some big standard can be important.
Reinater is a good example.

:)

Else : have QuestionTheme still a solution i like to see.

QuestionTheme allowing update list of choice + add an other free text column ?
When QuestionTheme can do it : i'm really happy.

ollehar

ollehar

2022-02-15 18:07

administrator   ~68314

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

Question theme that defines number of subquestions? Hmmmmm.

Joffm

Joffm

2022-02-17 13:35

reporter   ~68316

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

I support the idea to remove this predefined question type (and the arrays (increase/decrease) (yes/no) as well)
Only because this question type is still there this question was raised.

Because, what do you ask?
Do you ask for the gender according to the civil register.
In this case there may be different options in different countries.
Eg. in Germany it was allowed since 2013 to leave blank this entry and since end of 2019 there was a new option "diverse".
So in Germany I only need these four options "male - female - empty - diverse"

Or do you ask something like "How do you feel today?" or more politically correct.
Then you need a lot of different options.
And - as @jelo - you will get one request after the other to add a new option.

So remove it and the survey developer can use his own classification according to his target group, according to the aim of the survey.

In my opinion the question type "list(radio)" is sufficient.
As "bootstrap button" where you add some Fontawesome gender icons it is a good looking solution.

DenisChenu

DenisChenu

2022-02-17 14:44

developer   ~68319

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

@Joffm : great information about «according to the civil register»
since all country do it differently, we can not do something clear enough.

Maybe when UN create something ;)

ifrass

ifrass

2022-02-17 15:54

reporter   ~68321

Last edited: 2022-02-21 11:54

Just becareful.
If you remove this question, remember that we have already use this question in different surveys.

Is there some problems of dependancies with some survey which use this question type ?

Mazi

Mazi

2022-03-08 13:23

updater   ~68585

I second the suggestion to remove the predefined question theme (and also 5pt single choice, 5pt/10pt array, increase/same/decrease, ...) at the next core version. Only the Yes/No predefined one makes sense to keep.
Everything else can be turned into a single choice/array question on import.

gabrieljenik

gabrieljenik

2022-03-08 14:20

manager   ~68587

What about renaming it to Biological Gender ?

jelo

jelo

2022-03-08 16:00

partner   ~68593

@gabrieljenik Relabeling the question type will not help getting this ticket here solved. And "biological gender" was never binary. Humans are sometimes born with sexual organs of of male and female. LimeSurvey is not limited to certain countries or cultural regions. So there is no common ground. Remove it along with other redundant question types, E.g. place a info inside LimeSurvey that these questiontypes are EOL and will be removed in later versions. No longer motivate people to use these questiontypes now and remove later. You cannot change the answeritems, cause that would change exisiting surveys and will cause a lot more trouble than removing the questiontype.

You see so many different ways of asking for gender, that I don't see a common ground soon.

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gabrieljenik

gabrieljenik

2022-03-08 16:08

manager   ~68594

Sorry to insist, What about just renaming it to MF Gender?

DenisChenu

DenisChenu

2022-03-08 16:30

developer   ~68597

Best soluition : move from QuestoinType to new QuestionTheme
But : how move this when update ?

jelo

jelo

2022-03-09 02:03

partner   ~68604

@gabrieljenik: Renaming the question type to MF Gender will not change much. People will raise support tickets, bug reports and forum posts about that MF gender question type. Where is the new Gender question? Why is the MF Gender there?
The Array 5 point and 10 point questions still raises questions about where to find the 7 point question-type. If there only where the array question type, no one would ask that question. The single choice 5 point is another redundant question-type.

Technically you will need to come up with a basic concept to remove/disable/sunset question types.
The first move is to mark them as obsolete in the GUI and give a hint what question type to use instead.
Next move would be to hide these questions-types, when a new survey is created. Importing and editing old surveys still will show these question-types.
This should give enough time to find a converting solution or announce a EOL date for these questions-types in LS6 or LS7.

Start to sunset all the redundant question-types now via GUI.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2022-02-15 10:45 ifrass New Issue
2022-02-15 10:51 DenisChenu Issue Monitored: DenisChenu
2022-02-15 10:51 DenisChenu Bug heat 0 => 2
2022-02-15 10:52 guest Bug heat 2 => 8
2022-02-15 12:44 Aiophe Issue Monitored: Aiophe
2022-02-15 12:44 Aiophe Bug heat 8 => 10
2022-02-15 13:47 jelo Note Added: 68301
2022-02-15 13:47 jelo Bug heat 10 => 12
2022-02-15 16:10 ollehar Note Added: 68304
2022-02-15 16:10 ollehar Bug heat 12 => 14
2022-02-15 16:23 DenisChenu Note Added: 68305
2022-02-15 16:23 DenisChenu Bug heat 14 => 16
2022-02-15 16:29 ifrass Note Added: 68306
2022-02-15 16:29 ifrass Bug heat 16 => 18
2022-02-15 16:31 ollehar Note Added: 68307
2022-02-15 16:37 ifrass Note Added: 68308
2022-02-15 16:41 DenisChenu Note Added: 68309
2022-02-15 16:42 ollehar Note Added: 68310
2022-02-15 17:03 jelo Note Added: 68311
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2022-02-15 17:42 DenisChenu Note Added: 68313
2022-02-15 18:07 ollehar Note Added: 68314
2022-02-17 09:37 galads Issue Monitored: galads
2022-02-17 09:37 galads Bug heat 18 => 20
2022-02-17 09:37 galads Assigned To => galads
2022-02-17 09:37 galads Status new => acknowledged
2022-02-17 13:35 Joffm Note Added: 68316
2022-02-17 13:35 Joffm Bug heat 20 => 22
2022-02-17 14:44 DenisChenu Note Added: 68319
2022-02-17 15:54 ifrass Note Added: 68321
2022-02-21 11:54 galads Zoho Project Synchronization => |Yes|
2022-03-08 13:23 Mazi Note Added: 68585
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2022-03-08 14:20 gabrieljenik Note Added: 68587
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